have dispirited people they won't muscle it up and do the early vote, i think if biden injects some energy in the democrats that will help with the votes being cast right now in the important battle ground states. >> rose: i raised this question earlier do we expect to see more of the quote, moderate romney in this campaign? >> mark halperin? >> every indication is that we will, because they still have a problem, if you go to the battle ground states, probably their biggest problem remains women voters, the agenda gap there and suburban voters and you saw paul ryan again rounding off some edges, smoothing some things down, trying to be part of the ticket that says we can get things done, we can work together. now, at the same time the biggest news today in the campaign before the debates was the only thing tt hppened of any significance was romney really escalated the rhetoric on benghazi on the question of the president's culpability, it matters less, going left and right i think what matters is why denver was so important, mitt romney needs to continue to show himself as a personality an